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Post by DawnDay on Sept 19, 2008 12:14:42 GMT -5
FELLOW INDIANS, ( I MODIFIED OBAMA MAY BE OUR ONLY HOPE DAWNDAY
HERE GOES, I WENT INTO REZ TALK. AND PART OF THE DISCUSSION WAS. WE AS INDIANS DO NOT SPEAK UP AND SPEAK OUT. SO HERE GOES WE NEED TO GET OUR HEADS OUT OF THE BOTTLE AND W A K E U P. I QUIT DRINKING 30 YRS.AGO, NOT EASY BUT I DID IT. I TOOK A GOOD LOOK AT MYSELF, AND DIDN'T LIKE WHAT I WAS BECOMING. HAVEN'T HAD A DRINK SINCE, ITS CALLED WILL POWER, I STRESS POWER.
I THOUGHT THE ONLY HELP WE MIGHT HOPE TO GET WAS FROM OBAMA, WE MIGHT FINALLY GET SOME JUSTICE AS AMERICAN INDIANS, AT LEAST BE PAID ATTENTION TO AS A PEOPLE. BUT ALAS EVERY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE SAYS WHAT THEY NEED TO SAY TO BE ELECTED. I HOPE HE FOLLOWS THROUGH WITH WHAT HE PROMISED IF ELECTED.
BUT DO YOU THINK THE REPUBLICANS FROM THE GOOD OLE BOYS, ARE EVER GOING TO PAY ANY ATTENTION TO US EITHER. THEY PUT US ON HOLD, OR FILE 13. SAME AS ITS ALWAYS BEEN.
PLEASE, GOOGLE MEMBERS OF THE SKULL AND BONES GROUP, YOU WILL SEE MEMBERS THAT WILL CURL YOUR HAIR. INCLUDING GEORGE W. BUSH, HIS FATHER, AND GRANDFATHER, JUST FOR A FEW WHO CONTROL OUR GOVERNMENT. SKULL AND BONES MEMBERS ARE CLASS MATES OF YALE COLLEGE, THEY ARE SAID TO HAVE THE SKULL OF GEROMINO, AND USE IT. FOR THERE RITUALS. HOW DARE THEY, HE ISN'T A LAKOTA, BUT HOW DARE. THEN YOU WILL SEE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED IN KEY POSITIONS EITHER OF WEALTH OR POWER.
THEN I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO GOOGLE: THE MEMBERS OF THE BILDERBERG GROUP, AND SEE WHO BELONGS TO THAT SECRET GROUP ( THAT MEETS ONCE A YEAR) ALL HEADS OF STATES FROM EVERY COUNTRY. INCLUDING CLINTONS, BUSH IS SAID TO ALWAYS BE CONVENTIALLY IN THE AREA. CONDOLEZZA RICE, TONY BLAIR FOR A FEW.
PLEASE, PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND THESE PEOPLE MEET AND DISCUSS OIL PRICES THE NEXT MONTH THEY EITHER GO UP OR GO DOWN DEPENDING ON WHAT THE NEW WORLD ORDER HAS DECIDED. THEY THINK IT IS FOR THE GOOD OF ALL, BUT I THINK IT IS FOR THE BEST MONEY THEY CAN MAKE.
AND LOOK WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO OUR FINANCIAL STATIS.
DO YOU LIKE WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST EIGHT YEARS, WELL I FOR ONE DO NOT. BUT WHAT CHOICE, DO WE HAVE.
WELL THAT IS MY 2 CENTS, FOR WHAT EVER IT IS WORTH. I HOPE YOU BECOME MORE INFORMED POLITICALLY, I PRAY.
PROUD TO BE INDIAN,
RENE'E DAWNDAY email address: welovethumper1@att.net
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Post by Mathew503 on Sept 19, 2008 13:28:58 GMT -5
Well you have a very valid and passionate feel for this matter thats true. But tha sad truth of this government is that no matter who seems to be the better man is only who "they" present to us asw our options. there is no real legitamate choice because like you said it's all in the name of money and power. And anyone who really has the best interest of the people in mind gets smashed before the race even begins. that is wrong,unjust and greedy. The white man's politics. This is the way it's gonna be, and will be untill the american public descides to exercize the power rightfully bestowed to them in the constitution. Most people who complain about things don't really understand that there is power in numbers and that if we really wanted change we need to band together and speak up. It will only change when we take corporation and industry out of the government.Also strip them of the power to pay theirselvs. Now i'm not trying to rain on your parade, Nor do i even remotley agree with the structure of power in this country. I for one am unable to cast a vote due to the fact that i am a labeled felon. Also i am a citizen and member of the American Indian Nation first and foremost . and i say this with pride. But untill the collective majority pulls thier head out of thier ___! then they will never be heard and the change will never come. It's all smoke and mirrors. " WHEN THE PEOPLE CONTROL THE MONEY, THE PEOPLE CONTROL THE GOVENMENT!! WHEN THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLS THE MONEY THEY CONTROL THE PEOPLE . I appologize for my twisted rantings and retardedly realistic views. That is my 1\2 cent worth. Much love to my indian people.
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Post by DawnDay on Sept 19, 2008 14:28:33 GMT -5
MATTHEW503,
MAYBE YOU CAN'T VOTE 1/2 CENTS, BUT YOU GAVE YOUR 2 CENTS ALSO, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. EVEN IF ITS A LITTLE PLATFORM, WE GET TO SPEAK OUR PIECE. ISN'T THAT WHAT DEMOCRACY IS SUPPOSE TO BE ABOUT.
PROUD TO BE INDIAN,
DAWNDAY
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Post by sunshine on Sept 20, 2008 11:07:17 GMT -5
I believe what you may be referring to is what is called the Tri-Lateral Commission. It is a group of the worlds financial powers who basicly control our world. The people that I know of that were/are involved from the US are Rockefellers, Kissinger, Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, both Bushes, both Clintons and unfortunately most of the past Presidents and many wealthy people of all countries. Please know that these people do not make $ unless the world is at war. Thus, they put people into power and control when and where we are at war. I have been watching this group for baout 30 years. Sunshine
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Post by DawnDay on Sept 20, 2008 17:44:28 GMT -5
SUNSHINE,
THANK YOU, FOR YOUR INPUT. I SEE I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO WANTS TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND US. AND HOW IT APPLIES TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US, FROM OUR GASOLINE, TO THE VERY HEATING OF OUR HOMES TO STAY WARM FROM FREEZING IN THE WINTER. MY DAUGHTER AND I LIVED IN COLORADO AROUND THE VAIL AREA ACTUALLY SILVERTHORNE, CO., AND KNOW ABOUT FREEZING AND UTILITY BILLS.
I HEARD OBAMA HAD MET WITH I THINK RUSSELL MEANS, REGARDING THE TURBINE WIND POWER, TO BE PLACED THROUGH OUT S. AND N. DAKOTA, AS A MEANS FOR MORE ELECTRIC POWER TO USE AND TO SELL. WHICH I WOULD HOPE THE TRIBES WOULD COME INTO SOME OF THE FUNDS, WHICH WOULD LEAK DOWN TO EACH TRIBE MEMBER AT LEAST IN THE AREA OF THE RESERVATIONS. I LIVE IN CALIF., AND IT DOESN'T INVOLVE ME, AND WOULD HOPE THE RESERVATIONS TO COME INTO SOME MORE FUNDS, TO MAKE THEM FEEL A LITTLE MORE INDEPENDENT WITH A LITTLE MORE MONEY TO SPEND AND HOPEFULLY NOT ON BOOZE, THATS WHAT KILLED MY FATHER, MY UNCLES, AND MOST OF MY COUSINS. I HATE ALCOHOL, WHEN THE WHITE MAN BROUGHT IT TO US THEY DIDN'T MAKE US DRINK IT, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW ADDICTING IT IS. ESPECIALLY TO OUR BLOOD GENES. THE HARDEST FOR ME WAS CIGARETTES, I SMOKED FOR OVER 40 YRS. BUT I CONQUERED THAT WITH PURE WILL POWER. I KEPT A PACK OF CIGARETTES ON THE KITCHEN COUNTER AND I KNOW ITS THERE, BUT MY SELF CONTROL WOULD NOT ALLOW ME TO OPEN IT, WHILE KNOWING I CAN, IF I WANT. I HOPE THAT MIGHT WORK FOR ANOTHER PERSON, IF THEY TRY IT.
WE ARE ALL, MORE WORTHY MORE THAN WE THINK WE ARE. I THINK WE AS A RACE HAVE BEEN BEATEN DOWN SO MUCH WITH THE ALMIGHTY WHITE SKIN, WE WOULD RATHER STAY IN A ALCOHOLIC FOG; AND BE OBLIVIOUS TO WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON AROUND US. A BETTER LIFE IS PASSING YOU BY. AND I PRAY FOR EACH A BETTER LIFE.
I HAVE FELT LOOKED DOWN ON BECAUSE MY SKIN IS DARKER THAN THEIR SKIN, MY MOTHER IS MOSTLY WHITE. BUT SHE THINKS AND SPEAKS LAKOTA.
AND AGAIN, I AM GOING ON, AND ON. I GUESS THAT IS WHY ALL MY FRIENDS SAY YOU SHOULD WRITE A BOOK, SO I AM WRITING THREE AT THE SAME TIME.( TWO) MURDER- MYSTERY- LOVE STORIES AND A SELF HELP BOOK, TO HELP YOURSELF WITH YOUR OWN MIND. MY FAVORITE TO READ ARE,.( DEAN KOONTZ BOOKS), I GUESS I SHOULD READ A BOOK ABOUT WHEN TO STOP TALKING.
PROUD TO BE INDIAN,
DAWNDAY : )
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Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Sept 22, 2008 16:28:11 GMT -5
Who KILLED the Golden GOOSE? All the while it lay there dying, the Demoncrats kept looting its nest and stealing its eggs.
See story below: "There has been a lot of talk about who is to blame for this crisis. A look back at the story of 2005 makes the answer pretty clear.
Oh, and there is one little footnote to the story that's worth keeping in mind while Democrats point fingers between now and Nov. 4: Senator John McCain was one of the three cosponsors of S.190, the bill that would have averted this mess."
"...But we now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and Freddie, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd, have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over the years.
Throughout his political career, Obama has gotten more than $125,000 in campaign contributions from employees and political action committees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, second only to Dodd, the Senate Banking Committee chairman, who received more than $165,000."
The Story of How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis: by Kevin Hassett
Commentary by Kevin Hassett Sept. 22 (Bloomberg) -- The financial crisis of the past year has provided a number of surprising twists and turns, and from Bear Stearns Cos. to American International Group Inc., ambiguity has been a big part of the story.
Why did Bear Stearns fail, and how does that relate to AIG? It all seems so complex.
But really, it isn't. Enough cards on this table have been turned over that the story is now clear. The economic history books will describe this episode in simple and understandable terms: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac exploded, and many bystanders were injured in the blast, some fatally.
Fannie and Freddie did this by becoming a key enabler of the mortgage crisis. They fueled Wall Street's efforts to securitize subprime loans by becoming the primary customer of all AAA-rated subprime-mortgage pools. In addition, they held an enormous portfolio of mortgages themselves.
In the times that Fannie and Freddie couldn't make the market, they became the market. Over the years, it added up to an enormous obligation. As of last June, Fannie alone owned or guaranteed more than $388 billion in high-risk mortgage investments. Their large presence created an environment within which even mortgage-backed securities assembled by others could find a ready home.
The problem was that the trillions of dollars in play were only low-risk investments if real estate prices continued to rise. Once they began to fall, the entire house of cards came down with them.
Turning Point
Take away Fannie and Freddie, or regulate them more wisely, and it's hard to imagine how these highly liquid markets would ever have emerged. This whole mess would never have happened.
It is easy to identify the historical turning point that marked the beginning of the end.
Back in 2005, Fannie and Freddie were, after years of dominating Washington, on the ropes. They were enmeshed in accounting scandals that led to turnover at the top. At one telling moment in late 2004, captured in an article by my American Enterprise Institute colleague Peter Wallison, the Securities and Exchange Comiission's chief accountant told disgraced Fannie Mae chief Franklin Raines that Fannie's position on the relevant accounting issue was not even ``on the page'' of allowable interpretations.
Then legislative momentum emerged for an attempt to create a ``world-class regulator'' that would oversee the pair more like banks, imposing strict requirements on their ability to take excessive risks. Politicians who previously had associated themselves proudly with the two accounting miscreants were less eager to be associated with them. The time was ripe.
Greenspan's Warning
The clear gravity of the situation pushed the legislation forward. Some might say the current mess couldn't be foreseen, yet in 2005 Alan Greenspan told Congress how urgent it was for it to act in the clearest possible terms: If Fannie and Freddie ``continue to grow, continue to have the low capital that they have, continue to engage in the dynamic hedging of their portfolios, which they need to do for interest rate risk aversion, they potentially create ever-growing potential systemic risk down the road,'' he said. ``We are placing the total financial system of the future at a substantial risk.''
What happened next was extraordinary. For the first time in history, a serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by the Senate Banking Committee. The bill gave a regulator power to crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate their investments in risky assets.
Different World
If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. In 2005, 2006 and 2007, a blizzard of terrible mortgage paper fluttered out of the Fannie and Freddie clouds, burying many of our oldest and most venerable institutions. Without their checkbooks keeping the market liquid and buying up excess supply, the market would likely have not existed.
But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.
That such a reckless political stand could have been taken by the Democrats was obscene even then. Wallison wrote at the time: ``It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit. The Democrats and the few Republicans who oppose portfolio limitations could not possibly do so if their constituents understood what they were doing.''
Mounds of Materials
Now that the collapse has occurred, the roadblock built by Senate Democrats in 2005 is unforgivable. Many who opposed the bill doubtlessly did so for honorable reasons. Fannie and Freddie provided mounds of materials defending their practices. Perhaps some found their propaganda convincing.
But we now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and Freddie, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd, have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over the years.
Throughout his political career, Obama has gotten more than $125,000 in campaign contributions from employees and political action committees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, second only to Dodd, the Senate Banking Committee chairman, who received more than $165,000.
Clinton, the 12th-ranked recipient of Fannie and Freddie PAC and employee contributions, has received more than $75,000 from the two enterprises and their employees. The private profit found its way back to the senators who killed the fix.
There has been a lot of talk about who is to blame for this crisis. A look back at the story of 2005 makes the answer pretty clear.
Oh, and there is one little footnote to the story that's worth keeping in mind while Democrats point fingers between now and Nov. 4: Senator John McCain was one of the three cosponsors of S.190, the bill that would have averted this mess.
(Kevin Hassett, director of economic-policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, is a Bloomberg News columnist. He is an adviser to Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona in the 2008 presidential election. The opinions expressed are his own.)
To contact the writer of this column: Kevin Hassett at khassett@aei.org
Last Updated: September 22, 2008 00:04 EDT
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Post by DawnDay on Sept 22, 2008 20:22:51 GMT -5
MIKE KITTO'
YES, BUT WHO'S WATCH WAS THIS DONE UNDER, AND WHO DIDN'T PUT A CEILING ON THE PRICE OF THE HOMES. ALL THEY WERE INTERESTED IN WAS MAKING EVEN MORE MONEY. AND AS MY MOTHER ALWAYS SAID, THE REPUBLICANS ALWAYS MAKE SURE BIG BUSINESS GETS THE BEST TAX BREAKS TO MAKE MORE MONEY FOR THE ( RICH).
THE DEMOCRATS ARE SUPPOSE TO BE FOR THE LITTLE PEOPLE (THE POOR), BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY TWO CLASSES THE VERY RICH AND THE POOR, WHERE DID THE MIDDLE CLASS GO?
ACTUALLY THEY BOTH TALK A GOOD TALK, BUT IN THE END THATS ALL IT WILL END UP TO BE.
WE WILL SEE, AND IT WILL BE THE SAME ARGUMENT IN THE NEXT 4 YEARS. AS IT IS NOW. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PROMISES THEY MADE?
I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE BORN IN ANY OTHER COUNTRY. BUT-- MY GOSH!! CAN'T ONE OF THEM KEEP THE PROMISES THEY MAKE TO GET THE VOTES- WHILE THEY ARE CAMPAIGNING? MEANWHILE I KEEP WONDERING WHO REALLY OWNS THE UNITED STATES, OTHER COUNTRIES ARE BUYING US UP BY THE MINUTE. WHAT SCARES ME THE MOST IS, WE MIGHT BECOME THE UNITED STATES OF CHINA, IF THIS KEEPS UP. I HOPE WHO EVER IS ELECTED THEY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
I BETTER SHUT UP, OR BIG BROTHER WILL BE EAVESDROPPING INTO MY EMAILS AND PHONE. AND THAT IS NOT JUST BEING PARANOID. CERTAIN KEY WORDS ARE FLAGGED BY THE NSA(NATIONAL SECURITY).AND HAVE THE POWER TO LISTEN AND TAPE ANYONE THEY WANT. THATS GOOD, I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO HIDE OR BE WORRIED ABOUT. BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT THE UNITED STATES GONE. AND EVERYTHING THE STOCK MARKET, BANKS, SAVINGS AND LOANS) I'LL BET BEN LADIN IS LAUGHING OUT LOUD. BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HE WANTED TO BEGIN WITH- IS TO BRING OUR ECONOMY DOWN.
I KNOW I'M GOING ON AND ON AGAIN. WELL THATS MY 2 CENTS WORTH AGAIN.
PEACE BROTHER,
DAWNDAY : ) : )
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Post by wareagle on Sept 23, 2008 1:40:40 GMT -5
Its interesting............... me and my chippawa brother had this same discussion.....Now the majority of this country will know how it feels to have the government involved in your dealings(BIA)
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Post by jazzdog on Sept 26, 2008 2:45:04 GMT -5
Mike and other so inclined
do you really believe that unauthenticated email, or are you expressing your own personal beliefs?
The rightwing propaganda machine is adept at throwing lies, and I express, LIES, about everything and anything, because they see their hold on the power base of this trembling country, slipping away........ when an animal is cornered and desperate, they will do anything and all, to achieve the upper hand. To lie about actual positions of the opponent and to blatantly tout the fact that the target of the lies of political positions of the opponent are in fact, facts, in obscene and illicit and blatantly false positions and facts about the opponent, is a totally untenable, untruthful, dishonorable, and outright dispicable position to take. I can not stand by and watch or listen or read, such untruths, as they may occur, and has occurred in this post. If you have a horse in this race, go ahead and declare the same. But declare your horse and talk about your own horse in the way that we can all see the horse's true colors. I, hereby declare that I will not hide behind quaint innuendoes to disguise which horse I choose to ride in this most important election that faces us within the next forty days..........I support the only candidate that speaks for humanity over corporations, for humanity over governmental control, over wealth and silverspoon privilege over grassroots working people of the world, over wall street bonus babies and debutantes over the common fanilies of the struggling middle and poor classes of peoples that have been forgotten by the realms of the upper class kissassers of the Bush/Cheney Crime Family over the last eight years.......... If you believe in the society of war......vote for McCain Palin......if you believe in the total economic destruction of the American republic........vote for McCain Palin........if you believe in the concept that corporations should dictate and rule our society (fascism by definition) vote McCain Palin......if you want social security to be subject to the same Wall Street fatcats that have looted and enriched themselves from the US treasury based upon illegal ponzi schemes with no regulation and enforcement of oversight, vote McCain Palin......if you wish to have even further corrupt judges on the supreme court of the US that will ignore hundreds of years of prior case precedent, then vote McCain Palin.....if you feel that you are better off financially now then you were eight or four years ago, vote McCain Palin.........if you wish to continue the unending prospect of neverending war and military operations throughout the world and now, particularily, within the domestic US against its own citizens.....by all means, vote McCain Palin.............if you wish to roll the dice on electing a 72 year old president who is already unsteady in mind, body, and psyche with a total unproven underling that is a replica of George W. Bush and Cheney in a skirt.........please, vote McCain Palin.....if you wish to have corporations, big corporations, forever, dictate, what we can and cannot do, say, or purchase (If we actually have the free will to do so), vote McCain Palin..........If you wish to be subject to the policy and rule of one particular sect of so called christianity to make decisions for you andyour family, and particularly, womens' own bodies, vote McCain Palin........if you choose to allow the government to continue to torture individuals in our country's name and feel proud of that atrocisity, vote McCain Palin.......if you wish to continue the rabbit hole of the demise of this fake and false economy based upon paper nonexistent wealth, vote McCain Palin.......if you wish to totally abandon civil liberties as they used to exist before the Bush crime familiy's destruction of the same, vote McCain Palin.......if you wish to allow the destruction of the great polar bear and the great wolf species (with ariel hunting and the severing of left forepaws to prove bounties of $150), by all means, vote McCain Palin......if you support secrective government with no transparancy and refusal to honor subpeonas to testify about governmental abuse by executives and legisislators alike, vote McCain Palin......if you Beleive that the global warming effect is a hoax and does not need our urgent attention in all aspects of life, vote McCain Palin......if you can suppost an ultimate flipflopper and liar that will say anything just to get elected to preserve Rebuplican power at any cost to soul or liberty, please, please, vote McCain Palin......if you agree that an original offender of the Keating 5 scandal regarding the savings and loan debacle of the early 90's (costing the taxpayers billions of dollars to bail out - sound familiar?), then go ahead and vote McCain Palin.......if you like the policies of the worst president in the history of the US (including those that screwed the Native Americans originally), then vote McCain Palin.......if you choose to expose your own children and grandchildren to a future of never ending "war" and military conflict, and likely a mandatory military draft, please vote Mc Cain Palin..........
However...............if you are of your own mind, and have a thinking bone in your body, and have the human gene to beleive that things can be better and can be different.........there is a choice. There is a definite choice in this election that transcends the realm of political debate.......it matters not ......our skin........what matters, is our character.....our ideas......our priorities......our common goals......our wherewithall to become more than ourselves as individuals, but as a collective people, not connected to wealth, not connected to influence of who you are, not connected to what you own or how much you are worth........a connection of doing what we need to do to help us all....... a direction that may help us all out of this terrible dark hole in which we find ourselves in.........a belief in that humans are good......each and every one of us.....no matter our background or upbring, nor matter our wealth or poverty.....no matter our station in life no matter when that occurs when it occurs.........we are who we have been waiting for.......we just need to understand that we are all in this together and for each other, which, will benefit us all, collectively............. Obviously, those that read this post, know where I, as a human being, stands........no pretenses, no disguises, no facades...... no BS......... All I ask is that each of you shed your prejudices and put yourselves into the shoes of your children and grandchildren......put yourselves into your own shoes....as if looking back upon this time on Earth twenty years from now......and look.....and see.....and realize........the moment.......now.........
thank you for reading and thinking..........
your friend
Jazzdog
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Post by grandmom on Sept 26, 2008 8:47:29 GMT -5
Only the rich are for McCain and those who want another 4 years of the last 8 years. Look what has happened with Bush and the Republican administration. Why would anyone want more of that. The country is in crisis except for the rich.
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Post by rose on Sept 26, 2008 13:26:44 GMT -5
i stand with jazzdog....well said....you covered it all....thank you
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Post by DawnDay on Sept 26, 2008 16:57:27 GMT -5
JAZZDOG, YEAH!!!!, AFTER THE LAST ELECTION THE REST OF THE WORLD LAUGHED AT US AND SAID, THE UNITED STATES PEOPLE DESERVE WHAT THEY GET, THEY RE-ELECTED BUSH". THE REST OF THE WORLD THINK WE ARE STUPID. BUT SOMEONE VOTED FOR HIM,( NOT ME) AND HE HAD ENOUGH BIG BUSINESS MONEY TO KEEP HIM IN POWER, BUT ACTUALLY HE IS JUST A STOOGE FOR BIG CORPORATION'S MOST OF THEM BEING OIL SOAKED MASTERS. I ONLY HOPE THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE LIKE YOU JAZZDOG, SOMEONE ELSE WHO IS INTERESTED IN OUR FUTURE AND THE FUTURE OF OUR GRANDCHILDREN NOT JUST WHAT WE CAN PUT IN OUR POCKETS AT THE MOMENT. WW1 WAS ALL ABOUT MAKING MONEY, A FEW CHOICE BUSINESS MEN DECIDED TO MAKE MORE MONEY- THEY NEEDED A WAR, BECAUSE WAR MAKES MONEY FOR A FEW IN THE KNOW, YOU SAY HOW IS WAR MONEY MAKING FOR A FEW? -- (WHO MAKES THE SHELL'S, BULLETS, AIRPLANES, THE VERY UNIFORM'S THE POOR SERVICEMEN WEAR AND ON AND ON, I MEAN STEEL CO.'S (1) FOR INSTANCE. [[JUST THINK ABOUT IT]] IF YOU GOOGLE AND ASK QUESTIONS THERE IS A MOUNTAIN OF HISTORY, THAT IS AVAILABLE TO US NOW, NOT WHITE WASHED IN OUR HISTORY BOOKS, WE AS CHILDREN WERE MADE TO READ. REPLAYING HISTORY FROM WW1, FOR INSTANCE AND HOW IT IS TRYING TO REPLAY AGAIN. DO YOU KNOW YES, GERMANS WERE TRYING TO TAKE OVER EUROPE, AND ENGLAND WAS ALSO INVOLVED IN THE WAR. THEY WANTED US INVOLVED SO SPEAKING TO A FEW CHOICE PEOPLE IN OUR GOVERNMENT. HOW TO DO IT AND GET THE PEOPLE MAD ENOUGH TO SAY [ YES, WAR] AS IT HAPPENS THE LUCITANIA LEFT AMERICA LOADED WITH WEAPONS, SHELLS, BULLETS HEADED FOR ENGLAND [MONEY MAKING, YES] WELL IN ORDER TO GET US INVOLVED THERE NEEDED TO BE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOARD. AND YES THERE WERE AMERICANS ABOARD, WINSTON CHURCHILL WAS A COMMANDER AT THAT TIME AND KNEW THERE WERE AT LEAST 3 U-BOATS IN THE VICINITY WHERE THE LUCITANIA WAS WAITING FOR AN ESCORT INTO ENGLAND PORTS. NONE WERE SENT AND HISTORY SHOWS THE LUCITANIA WAS SUNK WITH ALL ABOARD INCLUDING [ YES, AMERICANS] OUTRAGED WE AS PEOPLE DEMANDED WE GET INVOLVED IN THE WAR. HENCE OUR INVOLVEMENT IN WW1. [[WOULD HATE TO MEET MY MAKER WITH THAT ON MY CONSCIENCE]] NOW WE KNOW WORLD WAR ll, WAS REALLY, REALLY MONEY MAKING FOR A FEW BUSINESS MEN. REMEMBER WHAT MAKES MONEY AGAIN, SHELL'S, BULLETS, AIRPLANES, SHIPS, ARMOR CAR TO NAME A FEW. NOW AS TO OUR WANTING WAR WITH IRAQ, WHO DO YOU THINK WANTED WAR AND WHY? LET ME SEE WHERE TO START--TO START BUSH FAMILY EMPIRE, (HIS FATHER REMEMBER HIM) AND HIS GRANDFATHER--THEY ALWAYS PUT PROFIT AND POWER ABOVE OUR COUNTRY, LET ALONE OUR PEOPLE. FOR INSTANCE OUR WAR IN IRAQ: 25 LARGE BUSINESSES PROFITING:: HALLIBURTON-- HAS MADE (77 BILLION) OFF OF PROVIDING THEIR CONSTRUCTION WORKERS; INCIDENTLY DICK CHENEY WAS A V.P. FOR HALLIBURTON BEFORE BEING OUR V.P VERITAS CAITAL FUND (1.44 BILL.) SECURITY WASH. GROUP INTL.-(93.1 MILL.) REPAIR, AND RESTORE EMVIROMENTA CHEM.-(878.8 MILL.) REMOVAL OF OUR BOMB SHELLS AEGIS-(430 MILL.) PRIVATE SECURITY FLUOR-(600MILL.) WATER DISTRIBUTION ARMOUR HOLDING-(634 MILL) ARMOUR VEHICLES L3 COMMUNICATIONS -(359 MIL) SECURITY SCREENING AM GENERAL (RENCO) ALL TERRAIN VEHICLES HSBC WORLD BANK 3RD LARGEST BANK IN THE WORLD,--IRAQ NAT, BANK CUMMINS-45MIL) DIESEL ENGINES CACI-INTERROGATORS BECHTEL-144 BILL.) CONTRACTORS GENERAL DYNAMICS SHELLS, AND BULLETS THATS ONLY A FEW THAT ARE MAKING MONEY LEFT AND RIGHT, GOOGLE HOW IS WAR MONEY MAKING FOR LARGE BUSINESSES. [[NEED I SAY MORE]] BUSHCO---DOES WHAT EVER IT NEEDS TO DO ONLY TO MAKE A BUCK, THEY WILL CLIMB IN BED WITH FACIST DICTATORS AS IN GUATEMALA, CHILI, ARGENTINA AND EL SALVADOR. THEY WILL ROLL IN THE HAY WITH COMMUNIST'S LIKE( RED) CHINA, FORMER SOVIET UNION(WHO IS MAKING A COME BACK) NOT TO MENTION THE SAUDI'S. HOWEVER, I REALLY THINK GEORGE W. BUSH HAS JUST BEEN USED. I DON'T REALLY THINK HE HAS ENOUGH INTELLIGENCE BY HIMSELF.. SAD, BUT HES BEEN USED AS A STOOGE FOR THE MONEY MEN. I ACTUALLY LIKE HIM, HE MAKES ME LAUGH. BUT I ALSO WANT TO CRY AT THE SAME TIME. HE IS OUR PRESIDENT, OUR LEADER. WHAT REALLY MAKES ME WANT TO CRY IS BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE DO NOT EVEN SEE IT, OR TAKE THE TIME TO FIND OUT. JUST GOOGLE ANY OF WHAT I HAVE JUST WRITTEN, YOU WILL SEE. HOW BLIND WE ARE AS A NATION, WE FOLLOW BLINDLY TO WHAT EVER WE ARE TOLD, BECAUSE WE WANT TO BELIEVE THEM. TO TELL THE TRUTH I'M NOT HAPPY WITH OBAMA EITHER BUT AT LEAST HE MAY NOT BE ANYONES STOOGE. I HOPE AND PRAY, WE WILL ALL STILL BE HERE IN 10 YRS. BECAUSE AS EINSTEIN SAID," HE DIDN'T KNOW WHO WOULD WIN THE NEXT WAR, BUT THE WAR AFTER THAT WOULD BE FOUGHT WITH STICKS AND STONES. DAWNDAY
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Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Sept 26, 2008 19:37:32 GMT -5
I will vote for Senator John McCain. Because he is against killing unborn babies. I will vote for Govenor Sarah Palin. Because she is against killing unborn babies.
Roe V. Wade is in the balance. Funny thing is: Even "Roe" of Roe v. Wade is against Abortion today.
Both Democratic candidates are for killing unborn babies right up to and including after the moment of birth. That "partial birth procedure" is particularly disgusting. It occurs when the abortonist causes the baby's body to protrude from the birth canal and the abortionist sticks a suction device into the babies skull, and vacuums away.
Yep, if you like that type of "procedure" then vote Democrat.
MIKE
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Post by DawnDay on Sept 26, 2008 20:53:54 GMT -5
CURTIS "MIKE" KITTO,
I TOO AM HORRIFIED AT THE PROCEDURE OF ABORTION. BUT I WILL BE WILLING TO BET NO MAN SAID, " WAIT LET'S NOT DO THIS", RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF HIM RECEIVING HIS GRADIFICATION, AND STOP AND THINK IF THIS WOMAN GETS PREGNANT TO BEGIN WITH, WHAT DECISION WILL SHE HAVE TO MAKE (ON HER OWN) I MIGHT ADD. NOT TO MENTION WHAT GUILT SHE WILL HAVE TO BEAR BY HERSELF ALONE BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE GONE ON TO ANOTHER WOMAN. SEE ITS EASY FOR MEN TO THINK THEY CAN MAKE THOSE DECISIONS FOR THESE POOR WOMEN WHO IN THE HEAT OF PASSION , DID NOT THINK WHAT COULD RESULT IN THIS ACT OF PASSION. I'M SORRY, BUT UNTIL YOU CARRY THAT BABY IN YOUR STOMACH AND CARRY THE GUILT, I THINK THAT IS UP TO THE WOMAN ONLY. NOT A MAN WHO SHARES NONE OF THE GUILT, AND SHARES NONE OF ULTIMATE SIN OF ABORTION. (I DO NOT MEAN YOU YOURSELF OF COURSE.) I MEAN MANKIND IN GENERAL.
BACK TO VOTING, TO BE HONEST I REALLY DON'T BELIEVE EITHER CANDIDATE WILL BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY WANT TO DO. BECAUSE THE POWERS TO BE, MAKE SURE EVERY VOTE THAT CROSSES THE CONGRESS OR THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF, IS TO THE WELFARE OF THE VERY WEALTHY AND POWERFUL. LOBBIEST OFFERING MONEY IS HARD TO TURN DOWN.
SORRY, MY DAUGHTER JUST GOT HOME WITH GROCERIES, MUST GO. WILL CONTINUE LATER.
I PRAY WHO EVER DOES WIN THE ELECTION, FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THESE UNITED STATES, IS A TRUE AND HONEST MAN WITH THE REAL WELFARE OF THE LITTLE PEOPLE AND NOT FOR THEIR OWN INTERESTS. I HAVE A LOT MORE TO SAY, BUT I HAVE TO GO.
LATER,
DAWNDAY
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Post by Barbara on Sept 26, 2008 21:44:53 GMT -5
I do not respond to the political comments on this board as we all have the right to vote and should use that ability. However I must respond to you comment on near term abortion. I have never heard and or seen such a procedure as you describe. Most certainly it is a terrible thing, but please get your medical facts right before attempting to further your political opinion.
Barbara
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Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Sept 26, 2008 21:51:29 GMT -5
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Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Sept 26, 2008 22:08:56 GMT -5
The members of the Supreme Court, by age:
John Paul Stevens, 88 LIBERAL
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 75 ACLU LIBERAL
Antonin Scalia, 72 Conservative
Anthony Kennedy, 71 Swinger
Stephen Breyer, 69 LIBERAL
David Souter, 68 Liberal
Clarence Thomas, 60 Conservative
Samuel Alito, 58 Conservative
John Roberts, 53 Conservative
John McCain will nominate at least 2 judges (possibly 3) to the Supreme Court, at some point in the next 8 years. The appointments will be made to replace Judges due to age or death. My guess is John Paul Stevens, 88, (LIBERAL) or Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 75 (ACLU LIBERAL) will be among the first to go. Since most Supreme Court opinions are decided 5-4, after the liberals are replaced with conservatives, the decision will reflect a conservative values.
The "Roe" decision is definitely in jeopardy.
Perhaps the babies will then be safe again in their mother’s wombs...
MIKE
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Post by Barbara on Sept 26, 2008 22:33:05 GMT -5
Mike - Having worked in the medical field all of my adult life predominately in hospitals and having attended late term abortions. The unfortunate mother must deliver the infant. The fetus/infant is normally termed (killed) in utero by the administration of medications. Again that most certainly is not something anyone would desire. The reason(s) for abortion must be carried in the heart of mother. But to blunt and not political "No vagina, no vote"
Barbara
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Post by dee on Sept 26, 2008 22:58:02 GMT -5
I have learned a long time ago not to put my trust in a man or woman I have learned to always trust my Creator, who holds everyones destiny even Obama, so my only hope isnt Obama. We have to get back to the basics. Praying always is the answer. We have survived this long and it hasnt been easy but we are a strong people.Dee
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Post by Jimmy on Sept 27, 2008 0:56:54 GMT -5
My own vote will be for Obama, but I do not disparage others, such as uncle Mike for wanting to vote for McCain. All that I ask is that all of us as native people vote in this election and let our voices be heard. I am 31 years old and have never voted before, but I feel the need to cast my vote this year. I hope others will do the same.
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