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Post by jonesfamily on Jul 13, 2009 17:04:21 GMT -5
I am Santee, Yankton Sioux, Crow Creek and Ponca. Not enrolled I would like to be enrolled. My Family's names are Jones, Campbell and Laravie. Does anyone know my relatives? I would appreciate it thanks!
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 13, 2009 20:45:23 GMT -5
It would help if you would post more information than just surnames,so that we can seewhat documentation you need besides your birth certificate,such as the birth/baptismal certificates and marriage certificates of your parents and soon.
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 13, 2009 20:48:59 GMT -5
if you don't feel secure posting your family information,you can contact either vicky or me. Just click on our username(ie hermin1 is me, and vicky's is vicky)and it will bring up a window.Select Send A Personal Message.In the Personal Message,we will need to know your parent's names DOB,DOD, marriage date,place. give the same information for your grandparents,and so on backwards as far as you can go.
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Post by Vicky on Jul 14, 2009 9:07:05 GMT -5
There was a Laravie at Ponca-
Antoine Laravie Baptized Spring 1886 by Joseph W. Cook Son of Napoleon Laravie and Mimica (sp?) Dancing Sun Sponsors- Caroll P. Rouse, Edward Howe and D. E. O. Knudsen
ref: Santee Mission, Book I
Names and approx. dates would be most helpful here. :-)
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Post by Vicky on Jul 14, 2009 9:41:09 GMT -5
In Fr. Ravoux's record books I find some LARIVIERE's at Mendota in the 1850's, along with some Campbell's and Robertson's. I wonder if this is where the name Laravie came from??
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 14, 2009 10:21:05 GMT -5
I think the Larivieres in Minn. came down from Canada.
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Post by jonesfamily on Jul 14, 2009 16:40:40 GMT -5
Thanks alot to everyone who has responded. ...Here is what I know, my Great Grandfather's name is Dave Jones he was born in Niobrara, and lived in Santee, his parents I think, Frank and Lizzie Jones. I believe she may Ponca, but not absolute.
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Post by sara on Jul 14, 2009 16:50:35 GMT -5
Hello, I was going to say the Laravie shows up on Ponca census. Vicky allready said that. LOL
Are you seeing the names on a probate or heirship papers? Were either of your parents enrolled at Santee?
Sara
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 14, 2009 20:19:56 GMT -5
Dear jonesfamily: You are correct. His father was Frank Jones, s/o anpa (Day) and Kakpankpanku(dec'd)he died Oct.4,1906 Age 50 yrs. and Lizzie or Lucy lover. Lizzie was born @1865. I am sorry I don't have any census records from BIA for the Poncas. Frank and Lizzie were wed by ceremony.
David married Esther Campbell. her parents were Mary Holsey(sp.) and William J. Campbell. Mary's parents were Josephine Wakantaninwin(d/o Camnibe and Petayuhewin),and William's parents were Jeremiah Campbell and Mary Wakanhiyayewin.jeremiah's parents were Coln Campbell and I believe Josephine or Ms.Monigney(sp). Contact peacekeeper(our Campbell expert) for help on obtaining documentation(heirshipreports, baptismal and or death records).
But this is not enough , You say that your family tree also includes Lariviere(LaReviere) surname. How do the Lariviere's fit into your tree? Reason is the Lariviere(laReviere) surname is French in origin. You will need to furnish the tribal office for whatever tribe you wish to enroll at , with a family tree and supporting documentation, to prove you have the required blood degree required for enrollment with your selected tribe. kapeesh? We can't help you if you don't provide us with more informationon your parents and your spouse(I amassuming you are married).
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Post by Vicky on Jul 14, 2009 21:07:25 GMT -5
Napoleon Laravie and family can be found on the 1900 Federal census, Knox County, NE. Also listed below them is Alfred. They are all listed as Ponca. Do any of the children's names sound familiar, jonesfamily? Check out the census page here- i119.photobucket.com/albums/o134/vickyvalenta/laravie1900-1.gifRight click and save the page so you can enlarge with your photo editor. :-)
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Post by jonesfamily on Jul 14, 2009 23:20:58 GMT -5
Yes, my Father, Richard F Jones (enrolled as Santee), is the Son of Frank F. Jones (enrolled as Santee too), who I think was raised in Santee. His dad's name was Dave I met them once when I was little. I know that Dave was married to Esther Campbell. My Mother is Mary A Felecia, she is enrolled Crow Creek. Her father's name was Benjamin Felecia. I don't know his parent's name. My maternal grandmother's name is Victoria Shields. I don't know where she was enrolled. But so far I am not enough of one tribe to be enrolled. Here's the situation, my dad tried to get me and my brother enrolled in to the Santee tribe and we were told we were not enough blood of the Santee. That's when I was 18. Not too long ago I found out I might be Ponca and Ponca's don't go by blood quantum, only by lineal descendency. That would be great! because all of my cousins from my father's side would be able to enroll too. None of us are enrolled nor our children. I will look at this census and I think it might help.. I will check it out tomorrow. I have to print it out because I can't see it very well ...but I really do appreciate all of your help! Thanks Toni
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Post by Vicky on Jul 15, 2009 8:56:47 GMT -5
Hi Toni, I don't know that you will be able to read the printed copy. You really need to enlarge the page. Try this- i119.photobucket.com/albums/o134/vickyvalenta/misc/laraviecrop1900.gifAlfred listed below this family is 30 years old. Who do you connect to through the Laravie name?? All of the Ponca censuses are located at the NE state hist. soc. Unfortunately, they are closed for renovations at least all of this year. I don't know where else they may be found. Anyone have any ideas about that?? I don't think ancestry.com has them. I find this Laravie name intriguing, but don't know who to look for yet. Did someone in the Jones family marry a Laravie? Any help appreciated!!
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 15, 2009 10:20:47 GMT -5
vicky and toni: Try logging in to http://www.accessgenealogy.com( it may be .org). They may have some censues re.the poncas. i will do some searching for the Felicias and victoria shields.I have seen that surname before. hangin there toni. We will get your tree fingerked out one way or another.
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Post by sara on Jul 15, 2009 15:04:40 GMT -5
I will try and find my Ponca census records and see what I can find.
Sara
Scratch that, I just looked and do not find my Ponca Census CD. What the heck did I do with it? Someone else should have them also.
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 15, 2009 17:20:39 GMT -5
Jones family: I must apologize for forgetting to mention that the David Jones I mentioned above, was the son of Frank Jones and Lizzie Losur or lover(sp).
You still haven't answered my question : How do the Laravies or Larivieres tie intoyour family tree.
There is a Richard Jones listed on the 1924 Santee Census ,but he was born in 1858. and he had a son David Jones(born @1891,and died in 1979). so there are 2 David Joneses,one born 1886 and one born @1891 in NE.
You should check with your mother and /or the Crow Creek Tribal office and about getting a copy of your parents' s enrollment records.These records would include a family tree.
Do you know when and where Benjamin Felicia and his wife died ?
When were you born and where?
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Post by jonesfamily on Jul 15, 2009 23:20:31 GMT -5
My birth name is Antoinette R Jones. I was born in Winnebago, NE, 39 years ago. My mother's name is Mary A. Felecia she is still alive. Her mother was Victoria Shields and her husband's name was Benjamin Felecia. My father's name is Richard F Jones, he was born here in Sioux City. His parents are Frank F. Jones who is Santee and my grandma's name is Gladys Jones. She isn't Native at all.
But I think if my great - great grandfather Frank Jones married Lizzie Laravie wouldn't that make me a descendant?
I emailed the Ponca office with what I thought would be a connection. I would need the hard copy evidence that I am related to Lizzie Laravie. Is it possible for there to be 2 Lizzie Laravie's?
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 16, 2009 1:59:22 GMT -5
jones family: That your dad was born in Sioux City,explains why we couldn't find him on any Santee Indian censuses. You need to get an official copy of the marriage certificate for Lizzy and Frank and their birth /baptismal records,the same goes for Lizzy's parents,and possibly her grandparents as well , the same going for frank's parentsand grandparents, and also your parents, and you need to get an official copy of your birth certificate. You may also need to get the records for Lizzy's grandparents as well.the PoncaTribal enrollment person should be able totelll you what all you need , in terms of records. All I was able to find on Benjamin Felicia was his Soc. Security Death record,which indicated that he was born 11 Aug., 1910 and died May, 1943 in Sioux City,IA. there were 2 victoria shields:one born at Crow Creek Aug.,1907, and she died there at age 4. the other victoria shields was born 12 Dec. 1919 and died Sept. 1987 in Sioux City, IA. ref. for Benjamin and victoria shields data is LDS Archives, Provo, Utah. Unfortunately, their Soc. Sec.death records did not show where the second Victoria Shields was born.
Re. there possibly being 2 Lizzy Larivieres,anything is possible. I now have, for instance, 24 women in my index with the Indian name Cekpawin or twin woman,born on different reservations here in the midwest. I have had to number them, and write something on ech Twin's record that differentiates each from the others.
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Post by jonesfamily on Jul 16, 2009 13:13:38 GMT -5
the other victoria shields was born 12 Dec. 1919 and died Sept. 1987 in Sioux City, IA. this one is my Maternal Grandmother
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Post by Vicky on Jul 16, 2009 13:49:36 GMT -5
"But I think if my great - great grandfather Frank Jones married Lizzie Laravie wouldn't that make me a descendant?"
Toni, Do you have a document which states Frank the First (your G-G-Grandfather) married Lizzie Laravie? What is the document, please. Thanks, Vicky
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 16, 2009 22:10:10 GMT -5
Your descendency would be via your father's side of the family.
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