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Post by mdenney on May 10, 2008 0:28:44 GMT -5
LAST I KNEW, WE ARE THE VICTEMS HERE.
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Post by rickgerlach on May 10, 2008 17:00:18 GMT -5
Stephanie. Do you know if Yankton has ever taken any money in the Black Hills case?
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Post by rayhenry on May 10, 2008 17:15:54 GMT -5
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Post by mdenney on May 11, 2008 1:14:34 GMT -5
Is there contact info on the Lawyers in Rapid or not?? Kettering is ripping the Natives off...He needs to see a majority of hands on this to reflect our thoughts...YES?
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Post by sisco on May 11, 2008 8:56:38 GMT -5
I am enrolled at OST and my thoughts on the subject are the gov. and the lawyers should be ashamed of themselfs for even trying this. They spend more than that a day on the war right now. They have sent aid out of this country to other countrys in the billions not the few millions they want to settle the black hills for. The gov. is up to something else and they want clear title to that land, I for one am in favor of them settling the minerals they stole off there first. It reminds me of 1800's when they tricked them into signing another treaty and they had not even been paid for the first. I am not afraid of a vote because if all the cards are laid on the table and the truth is told what u will end up with it will shock u. And why should we have to pay a lawyer anyway the gov should be paying our lawyer fees or find one to represent us after all we are wards of the gov. My vote is they (gov) can not come up with enough money for what they owe for the Black Hills it would break them. There are somethings u can use your Mastercard for but this is priceless. Sisco
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Post by stephanie on May 12, 2008 12:13:13 GMT -5
Rick; As far as I know, Yanktons have not accepted the Black Hills trust money. My relatives...like everyone elses, used to joke about when they might receive their black hills allotment in 1980. Back then, many were willing to take the money figuring that the government would never give back the Black Hills....at least not in their lifetime. Like Wounded Knee in 1973, many that lived off the rez did not understand the full scope of Indian people and land issues. Most just saw the violence taking place between AIM members and the Feds. A lot of people looked at AIM as standing in the way of the Black Hills trust even though they were really protecting what was rightfully ours to begin with. Over the years, people began to see that they were right all along. stephanie
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Post by earthw7 on May 12, 2008 22:08:22 GMT -5
This whole issues has hurt my inner being. The Black Hills are not for sell This issue would divide our nation and it would bring civil war among us. For a few dollars that would give up our center of our heart. Those who were writing about where are the mineral rights, i have to ask if they prayed in the Black Hills. The first one who put there hands out to touch that money will kill our nation. What of our children will they be able to come to the land of our heart to pray or will a fence keep them out. Stop thinking like a whiteman and think like an indian. I am sorry but I believe in my heart that the first one who takes the money there families name must be passed out among the people so that all the people will know who betrayed us again. They should be put on a blacklist and disenrolled. The family removed from history/children to recieve nothing for the next seven generations. The names should be sent to canada and american tribes to make sure these people never have any rights to in the tribes. I feel very strong about this and i know many who also believe this. The people who are asking for the money have never stood and had to beg our creator for life in the center of our heart. They don't know the meaning the black hills. My heart is sad now BLACK HILLS ARE NOT FOR SELLS
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Post by rickgerlach on May 13, 2008 13:37:14 GMT -5
Stephanie, I hope our tribe didn't accept anything. My family moved back to S.D. in 1972 right after the flood. I didn't know where I was from yet but I do remember one of my Uncles telling my Dad that he had a shotgun by the door in case any of those indians came around. It was kind of scary and kind of confusing. I'm even more comfussed now. I don't know which line to keep looking on. The transcript of Matilda Kills Plenty is in Lucy PrettyFeathers Probate. It's part of one page. Leagally I guess I would have to go by George Black Owl? Love the Rez Talk , are parts of Rapid City close enough to be concidered the Rez?
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Post by mdenney on May 13, 2008 13:50:21 GMT -5
This was told to me by Floyd Hand...I think an investigation of facts needs to be done. Caution!
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Post by rickgerlach on May 13, 2008 14:13:45 GMT -5
jamie, who would the eight tribes be?
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Post by Mathew503 on May 13, 2008 14:23:47 GMT -5
It don't matter who? The fact is that we are a very proud heritage and we should act as such.. No matter what tribe you belong to.
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Post by indianwoman on May 13, 2008 17:15:59 GMT -5
Mitakodas, I remember my Mom, Aunties and Uncles would always say wait until our Black Hills come in. That was back in the 30's and 40's. I will never sign a paper to take money for the Black Hills. Besides the Yankton Tribe doesn't allow those of us to that live off the reservation to vote. There are about 5000 of us that do not live on the reservation, we are only a number.
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Post by stephanie on May 13, 2008 20:06:00 GMT -5
Rick....and others, Just remember, acceptance of any Black Hills trust money must be decided on by tribal council and not by individual members whether on or off the rez. The blood sucking lawyers have only one thing in mind.....their fee. stephanie
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Post by mdenney on May 14, 2008 12:06:18 GMT -5
HE IS RIGHT...DOES NOT MATTER TO NO ONE...NO ONE...NO ONE...I MATTER IN A 1/2 WAY TO SEE OUR PEOPLE BEFORE AND NOW BEING ABUSED DAILY WITH OUT RESPECT OR HONOR GIVEN TO OUR ANCESTORS OR US THAT DWELL HERE FROM THEM. ENOUGH!! MY MIND IS TELLING ME, BUT NO ONE IS ON THAT LEVEL. THEY WANT MONEY NOT JUSTICE...WHAT JUSTICE? IT TAKES US MANY RIDICULOUS YEARS TO GET THAT DONE...WHEN ON THE OTHER HAND FOREIGNERS COME AND GO TO OUR COUNTRY AS THEY PLEASE WITH OUT NOTICING US ON THE SIDE LINE...MAKE A LAW THAT IS MANDATORY THAT ALL FOREIGNERS MUST READ AND UNDERSTAND THE NATIVE AMERICAN HISTORY AND THEN CHARGE THEM 20% OF THEIR INCOME FOR WORKING HERE OR LIVING IN OUR COUNTRY.
IF YOU ARE NATIVE WE CAN BE FRIENDS...IF NOT, THAT IS YOUR FAULT FOR NOT KNOWING ABOUT ME!
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Post by mdenney on May 15, 2008 11:26:21 GMT -5
For those that think or said that we are not elegible for proceeds from the BLACHILLS...Here is a note from a confident member of the BIG SIOUX family.
Well the meeting in SF was not very big. Not sure if it was due to not being publicized well or Kettering. They said that Santee was defiantly in. I asked for proof. I was given a copy of Docket 74A and Santee is listed as one of the tribes. Santee is eligible for 5.11% of the proceeds.
They will not back down form the $20.00. The 20% is still being discussed.
A Dennis Quigley from Pine Ridge was the only one speaking against it.
Did not hear of any other attorneys willing to take this on.
Several people did sign up and they are planning on moving a head.
Reposted from info given to me.
Thanks for the info! Nice!
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Post by bellatrix on May 15, 2008 11:41:27 GMT -5
For those that think or said that we are not elegible for proceeds from the BLACHILLS...Here is a note from a confident member of the BIG SIOUX family. Well the meeting in SF was not very big. Not sure if it was due to not being publicized well or Kettering. They said that Santee was defiantly in. I asked for proof. I was given a copy of Docket 74A and Santee is listed as one of the tribes. Santee is eligible for 5.11% of the proceeds. They will not back down form the $20.00. The 20% is still being discussed. A Dennis Quigley from Pine Ridge was the only one speaking against it. Did not hear of any other attorneys willing to take this on. Several people did sign up and they are planning on moving a head. Reposted from info given to me. Thanks for the info! Nice! Is Lower Brule also on that list? Just wondering.
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Post by Wondering on May 15, 2008 12:01:20 GMT -5
So then should we be expecting another e-mail sent to all of us that says "Nevermind, disregard the ALERT!!!! e-mail I sent to you, I was wrong" ?
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Post by mdenney on May 15, 2008 12:03:17 GMT -5
20.00 is fine, but I do have a problem with the 20% and the previous discussion on it in earlier postings...this has got to be really thought about and a proper % needs to be reached by Kettering and his campaign. This amount would be considered an insult to the people that are in fact against it. Some will not take any offer, this is understood. Others that don't have a spiritual connection will take the offer...this we know as well. I am not sure about the Hills in my eyes it is just land and yes it was taken from the people...as far as I know the Lakotas some...feel that they are the only ones with property ownership...meaning they only agree that they them selves being Lakota are the only Natives that exist...ever. I know this is prejudice in a mild manner. I am going to give an estimation on how many will take an offer for this case...I think that 75% of the tribes will sign off on this and receive money. Your thinking...Yeah right! Honestly if you sign for some money, do you think people will hold a grudge against you if they don't know who signed off to receive money. If I were to sign off on this to get money what would the gain be, exceptance by other greedy Natives? No...Think about how many are in the hole, their bills, how much more they have to pay off that HONDA...fast and furious car grandson wanted gramps to get, so he could show off to his friends and bom that hotty around after school...we all want a new toy or internet life time plan or a payment down on that trailer to house our children in...so Dad can stop worrying about the inlaws calling shots and making him feel useless for his family...there is value in this case and being spiritual and having a need, to take care of ones "STUCK BETWEEN A ROCK AND HARD PLACE" is exceptable by a poor Native who sees that doing it, is wrong for another who is connected, but at the same time, he knows this would help him out in not just one way, but in several areas that he needs to feel like a man again. Be with out money as a lawyer and try to live in the city on nothing with no suits or gas or car. Will the one next to you show pitty or look at you and judge you, because you don't quite fit in with them? There is much to decide on if one takes the money, that person is not any lesser a man if he were to take the money and provide a little for his in need of home family...I love the Hills and spiritual matters just like any other person that is half or full blood...It does not matter who takes the money as long as they remember that many people died for that land and all that was taken from it. My friend, kola, relative, sister, brother, aunti, uncle, cousin...I don't look down on you for taking any money from this case. I understand that you needed it to help your family or pay an overwhelming unwanted wasicu bill...You are still my relation after the fact and will be just that. Happiness does not come from the money...it comes from the heart. You generate it your self.
Your shirt should say, "THE BALCK HILLS BELONG TO ME."
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Post by stephanie on May 15, 2008 21:33:08 GMT -5
Jamie; Great post from the heart. I know that the Santee of Nebraska, Flandreau and Fort Peck were all asking for legislation to release the money in 1996. They were not entitled to any docket 74-A monies because they were not parties to the 1851 treaty and didn't file claim for the area. At what point were they included? stephanie
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Post by earthw7 on May 16, 2008 10:07:48 GMT -5
Sorry Jamie i can't agree with your words,
I am both Lakota and Dakota and i still say NO
Black Hills Are Not for sell.
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