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Post by stephanie on Jan 11, 2008 23:53:43 GMT -5
Just wondering if anyone is related to Harrison Percy Archambeau? I need info on this person as we just discovered that his father was Moses Archambeau and Minnie Little Owl (Packard) His birth date is Dec. 26, 1927. I can't find any census records showing his relation to Moses or Minnie Packard. Please e-mail stephanie at ssroonie@earthlink.net Thanks!
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Post by rickgerlach on Jan 14, 2008 12:03:34 GMT -5
stephanie,did you ever get Moses probate?Would you like the 8 pages that I have?
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Post by stephanie on Jan 17, 2008 19:18:42 GMT -5
Hi, I was given a front page for his probate and a six page letter dated 1931 from Superintendent Hickman regarding my great grandfather Moses, my great grandma, Sophie and the third wife.... Minnie Packard. In the letter, it speaks of Minnie's son (no name) and that the father is Milton Young. Is that the copy that you have? Please let me know as this involves someone who is claiming to be the son of Moses and Minnie. Our family never heard of this person. If the probate papers you have has different info, then I would like to see a copy. Thanks...please write back as this pertains to a probate our family is currently involved in. stephanie ssroonie@earthlink.net
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Post by rickgerlach on Apr 6, 2008 15:23:25 GMT -5
Stephanie, did the stuff i e-mailed you get there?
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 7, 2008 12:40:21 GMT -5
Stephanie: Re. Harrson Percy Archambeau, you don't mention what source you learned about his relation to to Moses and Minnie. i too was unable to find anything other than a Soc. Sec. Death record for him. try Marty, South Dakota.Tribal Orfice. They would have something on him.he was a Yanktonsioux.
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Post by rickgerlach on Apr 8, 2008 10:48:07 GMT -5
Hermin, I have a Preliminary Report (for a probate)June 25,1952 for Moses.It has a Percy Archambeau as son.
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Post by stephanie on Apr 12, 2008 22:29:37 GMT -5
Hermin; I too have the same prelim report dated 1952. The report I have has a two letters from the Superintendent with regards to the paternity of Harrison Percy Archambeau. We are in the middle of a probate for my deceased aunt, Helen Archambeau and Harrison's family is claiming that harrison is a half brother to her. In the letter, Minnie Packard is claiming that her son, Harrison is the son of Milton Young and not Moses Archambeau, my great grandfather. Harrisons birth certificate has no dates and infact is not dated or signed on the bottom. Minnie Packard drew this certificate up around 1952...the same time of Moses Archambeaus probate. Harrison was born Dec. 26, 1927. Something doesn't add up. There are no baptismal records, census records, other than living with Minnie's sister, Little Owls or Medecine bear. Harrison is never listed as an Archambeau on any document other than the 1952 questionable birth certificate.
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 15, 2008 12:18:29 GMT -5
stephanie: check your personal messages. there are at least 3 persy Archambeaus: Percy born in1914 and died 1976, his son Percy B. born@1933, and Harrison Percy Archambeau born in 1927 and died Feb. 1993. .
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Post by rickgerlach on Apr 15, 2008 13:01:34 GMT -5
Stephenie, I don't know where the stuff I tried to e-mail you went. I could mail it to you. I know you were joking before ,but, realy, it would get to you faster. I was looking for some stuff I wanted to ask hermin1 about Thomas Rising Cloud ,Mary Pretty Feather,Mad Bull and James MadBull . In part of the testimony it says that Hellen sometimes went by BlackOwl but her dad Was Moses Archambeau. When questioned about it she said to ask Percy Archambaue the Tribal Chairman.
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 15, 2008 14:54:41 GMT -5
rickerlach and stephanie: harrison Percy Archambeau is indeed listed in at least oneofficial document with the Archambeau surname: He applied for a Social Security Card. He had to provide proof of his birth( birth certificate/baptismal) in order to get the card. He idi not just exist on paper. Now think about it. You say he was living with Minnie'srelatives. Did he go to school?find his school records. He had to register for the Army Draft. Did he have Dn obituary? Is he mentioned in Moses Archambeau's Heirship/Probate paper Is he mentioned in Minnie's heirship/Probate papers?
Milton Young, the alleged father was single and living at the Yankton Agency when Harrison Percy was born. I don't know where Minnie was living at teh time he was born, do you?he had to have worked somewhere.
if he isn't listed in Moses's heirship, or minnie's, something's rottg in the tepee.
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Post by rickgerlach on Apr 15, 2008 17:03:06 GMT -5
Is there such a thing as an 1858 annuity roll? How would I search by land or payments?
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Post by stephanie on Apr 15, 2008 19:39:45 GMT -5
Rick or Hermin; I have probate papers for minnie, harrison and moses. I also have harrison original soc sec application. His birth certificate and soc sec have two different places of birth. His birth certificate is not dated at the bottom, has no state filing number and the only signature is that of his uncle's, joseph medecinebear as the informant. No signature at the bottom. It was drawn up after Moses Archambeau's death because it gives Minnie Packards age of 65. It's obvious to our family she was trying to get her son in on the probate. Moses did have land at one time because i have the papers stating where it was. If my grandfather, moses was truly the father, than why deny to the superintendent in 1931 in two different letters.....My question is, is a birth certificate valid with no date, no signature of file number in the eyes of BIA? In 1927 or 1952 it should have all these requirements. Even delayed certificates must have census or baptismal records but he has none of these on file. Can BIA go into a court of law with a birth certificate that is not certified even though every state in this country must have valid certification. Thanks everyone stephanie
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Post by Vicky on Apr 15, 2008 21:09:18 GMT -5
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 15, 2008 23:26:54 GMT -5
Is there such a thing as an 1858 annuity roll? How would I search by land or payments? Re. the 1858 annuity roll, yes for those living in Minnestoa. The pre-1862 rolls give only the names of the head of each family, no. of men, no. of women and no. of children. look in the index of Censuses on our website, or the Archives.
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 15, 2008 23:52:47 GMT -5
Re. the land records, yoou would want to see first if the person had a land alotment(s). type in the name of the county in South Dakota( where you think the person lived)and GenWeb.i.e. Roberts County SD GenWeb. Look for the land records section.
As for the birth certificate that you mentioned was not complete, It is obviously not authentic. I would send a copy of this alleged certificate to the State and get their confirmation in writing that it is not authentic. It boggles my mind that a BiA Commissioner would not spot this lack of authenticity in that certificate. My next question is was this Harrison Percy Archambeau given a share of Moses's Estate? Obviously he must have been given a share of Minnie's estate, assuming she had one. assuming thatMinnie had this son before she maried Moses, regardless of who the father was, he would be your Aunt Helen's half-sibling.
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 16, 2008 1:07:42 GMT -5
Stephenie, I don't know where the stuff I tried to e-mail you went. I could mail it to you. I know you were joking before ,but, realy, it would get to you faster. I was looking for some stuff I wanted to ask hermin1 about Thomas Rising Cloud ,Mary Pretty Feather,Mad Bull and James MadBull . In part of the testimony it says that Hellen sometimes went by BlackOwl but her dad Was Moses Archambeau. When questioned about it she said to ask Percy Archambaue the Tribal Chairman.[/quote ___________- boy did i goof here. so sorry. I meant to say I can't help you with these names without some vital data for them.
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Post by stephanie on Apr 16, 2008 14:12:06 GMT -5
Rick; please snail mail the probate papers as I think you have something additional that I haven't seen yet. Thanks. much appreciated. left you my address in personal message. stephanie
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Post by stephanie on Apr 20, 2008 16:14:51 GMT -5
Rick Thank you, Thank you for the probate papers on Moses Archambeau. Now I have a more complete record on his probate. Tell me, how did you come across copies of his probate? Also, Do you know about the Yankton protest against the proposed Hog Farm on reservations land? There is a U-tube video online. It never ends. stephanie
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Post by rickgerlach on Apr 24, 2008 10:08:35 GMT -5
Stephanie, I have heard about the Hog Farm,I thought the court ruled against the tribe. Moses was my ggrandfather on my mothers side he was married to Lucy PrettyFeather,I hit a brick wall on her parents.
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 24, 2008 14:45:01 GMT -5
I found Moses Archambeau in an 1880 US Census for south dakota, which lists a wife as L. Archambeau at age 44. this would make her born @ 1836 either in Minn. or SD. I did not check to see the original image. try this at ancestry.com and type in her married surname and see if you come up with anything. Al so try the Yankton Reservation censuses, the Crow Creek Censuses, and the brule censuses.
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