Post by chadron on Apr 29, 2015 10:32:40 GMT -5
I am looking for more information/corrections anything on some of my family history. I will post my grandparents and some of the information I have gathered. My great great grandparents were Peter Shangreau and Lucy Janis. Peter Shangreau's parents were Jules Shangreau and an Oglala named Mary Smoke, maybe Breathwind, need help. He had a brother Louis and according to Thomas Power's book The Killing of Crazy Horse, was the son of Jules Shangreau and an Oglala woman related to Red Cloud. Jules had another son John Shangreaux. Mary Langfald, curator of collections at the Wyoming State Museum in Cheyenne, says in a Billings newspaper about the Shangreaux collection at the museum, "According to information Langfald provided, Shangreaux was born at Fort Laramie in the 1850s to Mary Smoke, daughter of the Oglala Sioux chief Old Smoke." Any help is greatly appreciated.
Lucy Janises parents were Joseph Antoine Janis and First Elk Woman, maybe Featherman..The June Rise: The Apocryphal Letters of Joseph Antoine Janis by William Trembley is historical fiction but it is a good read and seems to be well researched. The account of John Richard jr killing Yellow Bear is in there, as Janises son Peter is supposedly the one egging John jr on. Anyways this book mentions Antoine marrying First Elk Woman, daughter of Old Smoke. Also says she was Swift Hawks brother, who was Old Smokes eldest son. Again this book is historical fiction and I have no idea how accurate it is with the family. According to Dr. James Hanson, of the Museum of the Fur Trade, wrote an article The Black Hills Fur Traders, appearing in a Fall/Winter 2007 Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly, says "There were two Missouri French Brothers. Nicholas and Antoine Janis. Antoine was known to the Sioux as "Yellow Hair all Mussed Up" and was married to a sister of Red Cloud. Nicholas was known as "Long White Man" and married Red Cloud's niece. I don't have much oral family history to go on so have been using google, ancestry.com, this site, and books to try and get my try together and find the wives my fur trading grandpas had.
My other grandparents were William Allman and Louisa Richard. Louisa's parents I have as Joseph L. Richard and Julia Fast Whirlwind. I believe Joseph L. Richard is the one that is known as Louis Richard in literature and sources, but again not sure. I believe he is the son of John Richard Sr. Brother John jr the one who killed Yellow Bear. Spelled like it sounds sometimes too, Reshaw. Anyways I have found that John Baptiste Richard married a Mary Gardiner, daughter of William Gardiner and White Thunder Woman. "Many whites in the Fort Laramie region were married to Sioux, but Richard's connections among the Oglala were unusually deep. The mother of the clan was Richard's wife Mary Gardiner, born in 1827, the mixed-blood daughter of the white trader William Gardiner and the Oglala White Thunder Woman. Mary Richard was already the mother of two sons who later became noted men among the Oglala--Rocky Bear, who took his father's name, and Black Tiger. White Thunder Woman was a sister of the Oglala chief Smoke, and of Walks as She Thinks, the mother of Red Cloud, which meant that her daughter Mary was connected by blood or marriage to half of the leading men of the Northern Oglala--a network of uncles, brothers , cousins, and nephews who all fought the whites in the Bozeman War."(The Killing of Crazy Horse, Powers, p.46)
Anyways, just seeing what other information and thoughts are out there. I am fascinated by my family history as it is unique and interesting. Also some dark parts, as they were involved in the Yellow Bear incident. "Richard planned to stop off first at the fort with some friends--Louise Shangreau and Pete Janis, the son and nephew, respectively, of two-longtime Laramie-region traders, Antoine Janis and his brother Nicholas, both "Missouri Frenchmen" from St. Charles. Richard, Shangreau, and Janis all were in their twenties, all had Oglala mothers, and all were armed on this day."(Powers,p.48.) Just seeing what thoughts are on their mothers relations.
Thank you,
Rusty Zephier
Lucy Janises parents were Joseph Antoine Janis and First Elk Woman, maybe Featherman..The June Rise: The Apocryphal Letters of Joseph Antoine Janis by William Trembley is historical fiction but it is a good read and seems to be well researched. The account of John Richard jr killing Yellow Bear is in there, as Janises son Peter is supposedly the one egging John jr on. Anyways this book mentions Antoine marrying First Elk Woman, daughter of Old Smoke. Also says she was Swift Hawks brother, who was Old Smokes eldest son. Again this book is historical fiction and I have no idea how accurate it is with the family. According to Dr. James Hanson, of the Museum of the Fur Trade, wrote an article The Black Hills Fur Traders, appearing in a Fall/Winter 2007 Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly, says "There were two Missouri French Brothers. Nicholas and Antoine Janis. Antoine was known to the Sioux as "Yellow Hair all Mussed Up" and was married to a sister of Red Cloud. Nicholas was known as "Long White Man" and married Red Cloud's niece. I don't have much oral family history to go on so have been using google, ancestry.com, this site, and books to try and get my try together and find the wives my fur trading grandpas had.
My other grandparents were William Allman and Louisa Richard. Louisa's parents I have as Joseph L. Richard and Julia Fast Whirlwind. I believe Joseph L. Richard is the one that is known as Louis Richard in literature and sources, but again not sure. I believe he is the son of John Richard Sr. Brother John jr the one who killed Yellow Bear. Spelled like it sounds sometimes too, Reshaw. Anyways I have found that John Baptiste Richard married a Mary Gardiner, daughter of William Gardiner and White Thunder Woman. "Many whites in the Fort Laramie region were married to Sioux, but Richard's connections among the Oglala were unusually deep. The mother of the clan was Richard's wife Mary Gardiner, born in 1827, the mixed-blood daughter of the white trader William Gardiner and the Oglala White Thunder Woman. Mary Richard was already the mother of two sons who later became noted men among the Oglala--Rocky Bear, who took his father's name, and Black Tiger. White Thunder Woman was a sister of the Oglala chief Smoke, and of Walks as She Thinks, the mother of Red Cloud, which meant that her daughter Mary was connected by blood or marriage to half of the leading men of the Northern Oglala--a network of uncles, brothers , cousins, and nephews who all fought the whites in the Bozeman War."(The Killing of Crazy Horse, Powers, p.46)
Anyways, just seeing what other information and thoughts are out there. I am fascinated by my family history as it is unique and interesting. Also some dark parts, as they were involved in the Yellow Bear incident. "Richard planned to stop off first at the fort with some friends--Louise Shangreau and Pete Janis, the son and nephew, respectively, of two-longtime Laramie-region traders, Antoine Janis and his brother Nicholas, both "Missouri Frenchmen" from St. Charles. Richard, Shangreau, and Janis all were in their twenties, all had Oglala mothers, and all were armed on this day."(Powers,p.48.) Just seeing what thoughts are on their mothers relations.
Thank you,
Rusty Zephier