Post by Lavanah Smith-Judah on Feb 24, 2010 20:39:27 GMT -5
Forgive me for not thanking you sooner for all of the important information you were able to retrieve on Two Bears and the Gates. That was a fine bit of research and it is information I will be using a little later on in my research. Thank you again.
As far as the 7 Council Fires, I was not aware that the Yankton, Yanktonai, Sisseton, Wahpekute, Mdewakaton, Wahpeton and the Teton, had all met most recently in 1995/96. Nor was I aware that these 7 Council Fires had met in 1875 when the majority of Sioux were all on reserves after the signing of the 1868 Treaty.
We can recall one time when after 1850, the 7 Council Fires attempted to gather and band together for the annual tradition in July 1864. And, that resulted in the INFAMOUS Battle of Tachawakute or Killdeer Mountain.
Perhaps, you are speaking of the camp circle of the Tetons, Blackfeet, Yanktonais, and Cheyenne's just prior to the battle of the Greasy Grass.
It would be really great if you could reference this information and elaborate a little more. I am very interested in the information you share and respect your expertise.
My understanding is that from the late eighteenth century until the reservation era began, the seven divisions of the Sioux nation were more or less permanently located in home areas. For all seven branches, trade with each other was essential. From the far reaches of Sioux territory they gathered together periodically not only for trade but for social as well as spiritual renewal. Old ties were reestablished, and spiritual activities such as the Sun Dance were held in common. According to Sioux oral tradition, these gatherings go back several centuries. At some point (the date is not clear) they began referring to themselves as Oceti Sakowin, the Seven Council Fires. This name was certainly in use by the nineteeth century. In the late spring the seven groups gathered in a large circle, where each group was referred to symbolically as a council fire and given a specific location in the camp circle. For example the Yanktons' name "end dwellers" or "people of the end village" derives from their relative position in the great circle. These "annual reunions" or "trade fairs" were described by a number of explorers and merchants. The gatherings were in a central location, usually along a waterway such as the James River. According to French merchant Pierre-Antoine Tabeau, the gatherings were quite large. He reported seeing 1,000 to 1,200 lodges and about 3, 000 men bearing arms. he noted that the Tetons traveled east to exchange horses, lodges of leather (tipi coverings), buffalo robes, shirts and legging of antelope skin" for mostly European goods such as firearms and iron kettles. They also traded for red-stone pipe bowls and bows made of walnut. Meriwether Lewis and William Clark reported that the Santees acquired horses from the Tetons. The Santees functioned as "Middlemen" traders, bringing European goods to trade for goods from the Plains. By the mid-nineteenth century the frequency of the gatherings declined as the continuing dispersal of the Sioux made travel more difficult, and as other factors such as the decline of the buffalo and series of epidemics added to the problems of travel.
Reference: Bruguier, "Yankton Sioux," 97-98; DeMallie, "Sioux until 1850, " 727, 731-735, Anderson, Kinsmen of Another Kind, e; Abel, ed., Tabeau's narrative of Loisel's Expedition to the Upper Missouri, 122-23.
Peyote and the Yankton Sioux; The Life and Times of Sam Necklace, by Thomas Constantine Maroukis, pg 12.
at the 1876 camp at the Black Hills we had Inkaputa and his people Wahpeton/mdewakanton, the Ihunktonwan (Upper Yanktonais) ,Hunkaptina(Lower Yanktonais) Pabaska (Cuthead), Sisseton of Red Thunder's band plus the Lakota and Cheyenne. Each camped in their area, I walked the traditonal camp grouds. I don't know where you would find this writing in any book.
Post by Lavanah Smith-Judah on Mar 2, 2010 5:46:03 GMT -5
By your naming, I count 5 groups; hardly Oceti Sakowin or Seven Council Fires.
Yankton, Yanktonai, Sisseton, Wahpekute, Mdewakaton, Wahpeton and the Teton
This was the way the tribes names were spelled on the figure I posted, if you took the time to look. If you did not, click on the link below, so you may have a better understanding of what was the Oceti Sakowin/ 7 Council Fires.
Recent scholars, such as Raymond DeMallie, divide the Sioux into three groups (Teton, Yankton-Yanktonai, and Santee), not using the traditional division of Lakota, Dakota, and Nakota of earlier scholars. The eastern Sioux, known collectively as the Santees or Isantis, are the Sissetonwans (Sissetons),Wahpekutewans (Wahpekutes), Wahpetonwans (Wahpetons), and Mdewankantonwans (Mdewakantons). The western Sioux are the Titonwans (Tetons). The middle Sioux are the Ihanktonwannas (Yanktonais) and the Ihanktonwans (Yanktons).
Source: Bruguier, "Yankton Sioux," 19-20; Powers, Oglala Religion, 16-17; Woolworth, Sioux Indians III, 8; DeMallie, "Sioux until 1850," 727-32.
YANKTON (MIDDLE SIOUX)
1. Yankton (People of the End Village)
a. Cagu (Lungs) Struck by the Ree's Band b. Oyate Sica (Bad Nation) c. Waceunpa (Roasters or the One that Cook) d. Igmu (Cat People)
e. Iha Ishdaye (Mouth Greasers) f. Wakmuha Oin ( Pumpkin Rind Earrings) g. Cankute (Shooters at Trees)
In the Yankton census of 1887 the BIA lists the Yankton population by band for the last time, leaving out the Dakota name of the band.
Band One: Struck by the Ree's Band Band Two: Jumping Thunder's Band Band Three: Medicine Cow's Band Band Four: White Swans's Band Band Five: William Beans, Sr.'s Band Band Six: Feather In His Ear's Band Band Seven: Frank Janron, Sr.'s Band
In the 1860s, the government established an eighth band, called Wasiun Cinca (white man's sons or "half-breeds"), with Philip J. Deloria as the band chief.
2. Yanktonai (Little People at the End Village)
SANTEE (EASTERN SIOUX)
3. Mdewakanton (Spirit Lake People) 4. Wahpeton (Dwellers among the Leaves) 5. Sisseton (People of the Boggy Ground) 6. Wahpekute (Shooters among the Leaves)
TETON (WESTERN SIOUX)
7. Teton (Dwellers of the Prairie)
a. Oglala (They Scatter Their Own) b. Sicangu or Brule (Brunt Thighs) c. Hunkpapa (Campers at the End of the Circle) d. Minneconjou (Planters beside the Water) e. Sihasapa (Blackfoot) f. Oohenonpa (Two Kettles g. Itazipco or Sans Arcs (Those without Bows)
The general tendency of the Sioux groups was to move in a westerly direction. By the late eighteenth century the Tetons were located west of the Missouri River, the Yanktons and Yanktonais were in present-day eastern North and South Dakota and northwest Iowa, and the Santees were in what is now Minnesota and nortwest Iowa.
Source: Bruguier, "Yankton Sioux," 19-20; Powers, Oglala Religion, 16-17; Woolworth, Sioux Indians III, 8; DeMallie, "Sioux until 1850," 727-32.
If you have different or conflicting information than that of the scholars I have referenced, please do post it.
I appreciate your input and as I have said before, I respect your expertise and admire the work you have done in this field. But, as of late your comments seem vague without sources/references, a point or foundation and are not worthy of the researcher and genealogist I know you to be.
I really not sure what you are asking? I did not mean to sound like i knew everything it was just that saying friend,Kola -friend, Koda-friend, kona for our nations at least for me did not make sense. The Term Lakota refer to the whole or Dakota rather than just friend in saying that, it is the same with Dakota and Nakota. for all of our nation the Dakota is the Mother nation.
I have asking the people about the bands and societies so i can not quote any books. Since the information is among the people it is easier to gather oral information. I have done my best to stay oral with our histories.
I do know that of the Yanktonais Ihuntonwana-Upper Kiyuksa Wazikute Hunkpatina Hahatonwanna Honetaparteenwaz Pabaksa Wazikute Takini Shikshichena Bakihon The Upper Yanktonai under the Standing Rock Agency
Hunkptina-Lower Putetemini Shungikcheka Takhuhayuta Sanona Ihasha Iteghu Pteyuteshni Hunkpatina, are under the Crow Creek South Dakota The so-called "Yankton Sioux" under the Ft Peck agency, Mont., are in reality Yanktonai
Assinboine The Yanktonais and Crees adopted each other and became the Assiboine or Stoney Sioux around 1600.
The assinboine all part of the same people from the James River Valley who have been in the James River Valley from the best estimates around 1500.
I know very little about the Yankton people.
here is abook you can look at or quote The Handbook of American Indians North of Mexico, by Frederick Webb Hodge, Bulletin 30, Bureau of American Ethnology, Smithsonian Institution, Government Printing Office, Washington D.C., 1906.
Kota does not only mean "Friend" but also Ally. Ally means there was an Alliance, a Confederacy, a Federation. In other words a union that promotes the common interests of each other, which is why we are sometimes referred to as THE GREAT SIOUX NATION.
NATION implies according to the Merriam Webster Dictionary, "a community of people composed of one or more nationalities with its own territory and government; a federation of tribes (as of American Indians)--nationhood."
We were ONE people and considered ourselves as such. Our only difference was the designated territories we occupied. We spoke the same language (with a slight dialect of region; similiar to what Americans would consider an Eastern dialect or a Southern dialect but all in all we were ONE people as are Americans), believed spiritually the same, and relied on the same kinship laws.
"From the far reaches of Sioux territory, The Seven Council Fires would assemble each spring or early summer to hold council, renew familial and social kinships, decide tribal matters, and participate in spiritual activities and renewal including the annual Sun Dance. The seven divisions would select three leaders known as Wičháša Yatápika from among the leaders of each division. Being one of the three leaders was considered the highest honor for a leader; however, the annual gathering meant the majority of tribal administration was cared for by the usual leaders of each division they gathered together periodically not only for trade but for social as well as spiritual renewal. Old ties were reestablished and spiritual activities such as the Sun Dance were held in common. According to Sioux oral tradition, these gatherings go back several centuries. At some point (the date is not clear) they began referring to themselves as Oceti Sakowin, the Seven Council Fires. This name was certainly in use by the early nineteenth century. "
Reference: Peyote and the Yankton Sioux; The Life and Times of Sam Necklace, by Thomas Constantine Maroukis.
DawnDay: OOps, also website: www.jewelrybytwodawns.com
Mar 9, 2014 12:28:57 GMT -5
hermin1: Hi there Dawn Day.
Mar 10, 2014 0:17:53 GMT -5
matoopi: well herman i not know much about the german blood thing but i do know martha was not german by blood no more than that cat diging in the garbage is german when it is nothing more than a ally cat and my great grandfather is the son of stephen brown pp1
Mar 10, 2014 9:20:57 GMT -5
matoopi: pp2 and i have shared a photo of clarence edward brown with louie and i have photos of my gg grandparents stephen brown and you be amazed of family not change in looks and i also got picture of gggg uncle joe and i have a lott of his features as a pp2 0f3
Mar 10, 2014 9:25:12 GMT -5
matoopi: matter of fact i have same eyes cheek bones mouth ears hight and same body build just minus the skin color
Mar 10, 2014 9:27:12 GMT -5
matoopi: ps minus the flat staight hair . my hair is bushy curly dark jet brown
Mar 10, 2014 9:29:16 GMT -5
matoopi: by the way you say clarnence being stranded not wash and i got news for you its true and there is nothing i can do about it and it was not regulatulations it was restrictions and every section of the sioux was not allowed to leave rez and i not be here pp1
Mar 10, 2014 9:44:40 GMT -5
matoopi: i not be here on proboards if this crap never happen but it did and here i am people in bia and united states can set back and deniy the facts and get by with it cause i can't find hard paper to prove it but pictures speak loud and as soon as i get pp2 of3
Mar 10, 2014 9:48:38 GMT -5
matoopi: as soon as i get the money saved up i will have paper good hard paper showing my blood called d n a just as i stated i am half sioux by blood plus half of my dads 1/4 cherokee blood witch is 1/8 add it all up i am 5/8 native by blood and i have joined aim
Mar 10, 2014 9:52:04 GMT -5
matoopi: i can only do so much i not white and i am native american indian and if you are you know how life is and you understand i not made of money. cause there is no such thing as a rich indian. and i will get the hierships when i got it to spend. sorry
Mar 10, 2014 22:32:38 GMT -5
matoopi: i have a ill elder in my family and another ill elder in arizona in all i have two sick sioux elders i must see to first and one is my mother second is my aunt and as is i am going to bed hungry cause the come before i
Mar 10, 2014 22:38:11 GMT -5
matoopi: well hermon i got a lakota woman who is claming she blood relation to me and she states her ancestor was one of the bear of the oglala sioux who died at wounded knee so i ask for your help in the veryfing if tawokonze had a son in that area with name start
Mar 11, 2014 8:10:56 GMT -5
matoopi: with name of bear
Mar 11, 2014 8:11:28 GMT -5
hermin1: tawakonze's children are listed in the notes that Louie Garcia sent you some time ago.Tawakonze was a Sisseton Wahpeton.You ask the lady for proof of this relationship.
Mar 13, 2014 12:45:38 GMT -5
matoopi: no only one is listed and that is bear looks back it list tawokonze but not all his kids herman1
Mar 19, 2014 21:27:56 GMT -5
matoopi: all documents are in the hands of spirit lake accept the digital copys
Mar 19, 2014 21:28:55 GMT -5
matoopi: my enrollment app has been in the hands of commity for close to two weeks or better
Mar 19, 2014 21:30:46 GMT -5
matoopi: tawokonze is listed as crow creek indian agency but his name is mentioned only in spirit lake cause he the grandfather of my gg grandfather stephen brown
Mar 19, 2014 21:32:47 GMT -5
matoopi: ps i got my grandmother beatrice mother maiden name wrong its maintire
Mar 19, 2014 21:42:08 GMT -5
hermin1: nice try, but no cigar.what census for Crow creek does he appear in?
Mar 21, 2014 13:15:40 GMT -5