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Post by Vicky on Jun 6, 2007 20:11:19 GMT -5
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Post by Youngin~AKA~Brad21 on Jan 2, 2008 7:02:38 GMT -5
Hi
I have inherited land from Eliza Gray and Eva Gray, ( also Nancy and Joseph Leblanc)I do not know who they are or how i'm related to them, I would like to know more about these two women, (my grandmas?) and joseph leblanc. and how they inherited it aswell,
My grandpa is Joseph Gray, the second. The biggest question i have, is when did they family name change from Leblanc to Gray, i am trying to make family tree, if anybody has any information on these ancesters, please hit me up asap... thank you
Who was the origanal allottee of the Leblanc and Gray lands, the location of land is behind sica hollow, and some is scattered towards hiway 10,
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Post by tamara on Jan 3, 2008 22:00:27 GMT -5
Hi I have inherited land from Eliza Gray and Eva Gray, ( also Nancy and Joseph Leblanc)I do not know who they are or how i'm related to them, I would like to know more about these two women, (my grandmas?) and joseph leblanc. and how they inherited it aswell, My grandpa is Joseph Gray, the second. The biggest question i have, is when did they family name change from Leblanc to Gray, i am trying to make family tree, if anybody has any information on these ancesters, please hit me up asap... thank you Who was the origanal allottee of the Leblanc and Gray lands, the location of land is behind sica hollow, and some is scattered towards hiway 10, I am so sorry to have not written to you sooner... You are correct in the name change. LeBlanc by the way is Provencalle or similar spelling and they are descendant of Louis Provincal the trader. -a well known figure in Minnesota history. It is my understanding that Mr LeBlanc your ancestor simply took the name of his wife. This period of time where we see this sort of thing is very common. Often you find people to have indian names and a surname to not have the importance that white society would have and in needing a white name it became easy to use a name associated with ones family. In one example a man was given a name and it passed up to his father and tohis cousins etc. There is a marker up towards the area you speak of off of the highway into the hills and it notes the death of two men with the last name Grey... I dont recall the exact details but can find out. My family is connected to this family in that the Keebles (Lizzie and John Buffalo or Wahmnuha) daughter married a Grey. My other ine is LeBlanc (grandma's family) so I know Nancy that you mention and her maiden name is ISBU. There has been some great research done on this line and I know a lady who had that probate but I have not seen it as of yet. You will find these names on the Sisseton Elrod Roll and others. Also if you look in the NARA Sisseton Agency listings of records that Vicky shared (isnt she great?!) you will see a list of photographs and I know that I saw one for the Grey family homesite. If there is anything more you need let me know. Happy New Year to everyone!!!! I am so looking forward to this year and I have to say it is starting out to be all that I could have dreamed of!!!!!!!! Tamara
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Post by Vicky on Jan 3, 2008 22:29:30 GMT -5
1875- Joseph LaBlanc receives a 160 acre allotment of land. 1887- Eve Gray receives an allotment of land. She is listed as the wife of Joseph LaBlanc, Jr. and mother of Samuel Grey. Eliza Grey also received an allotment. Eliza is listed as a daughter of Eve Grey. 1887- Sintewastewin (Eve) appears on the Sisseton census residing in the Enemy Swim District. She is listed as being 28 years old with son Samuel, age 7, and Mazaohmniwin, age 1. (This must be Eliza). Sintewastewin means Pretty Tail(ed) Woman. There is no husband listed here. I have Eve‘s “probate” from NARA which states she died in 1896, age 50. Her heirs were determined on 8-16-1918- Samuel Gray and Andrew Gray Leblanc (AKA Joseph LaBlanc). Eliza Gray died in 1890, age 6. Her heirs were also determined on 8-16-1918, and her land passed to her two brothers. All of these documents can be found on this site, just do a search. Give us a holler if we can be of further assistance, and I'll keep digging. (You're great too, Tamara, thanks!)
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Post by Youngin~AKA~Brad21 on Jan 5, 2008 5:23:40 GMT -5
;D Thanks guys! ( Vicky and Tamara ) Yeah the hiway marker on hiway 10, speaks of My grandpa Joseph and his brother. I don't really have anyone to ask about these people, and i probly know more then my mother about our ancestors, but its good to find out stuff and tell my mom, because she never had a chance to get to know her dad, any more information you have i'll gladly be interested in, but for now i'm jus saying thanks alot !!
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Post by Youngin~AKA~Brad21 on Jan 5, 2008 7:31:08 GMT -5
Hi Vicky
okay i get everything about the timeline you posted but i'm a little cunfused about Nancy Leblanc how does she fit into the family tree, and Who are Joseph Leblanc the 2nds parents? sorry so many questions but thats what i get for waiting this long thanks for all your help
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Post by Vicky on Jan 6, 2008 11:50:09 GMT -5
I am probably not the person to be helping you, as this is not a family I have researched. I only have a few early documents where I gathered the land allotment info for you. I am hoping Tamara can help with your puzzle, and I will do what I can to find out more. 20 years ago I would have advised you to contact the Sisseton BIA, and you would have had all of your probates and answers within a week or two. Since the BIA's have virtually shut down, you will need to try to find others who may have the probates you need, then pray they are willing to share. This makes me so angry, because it is YOUR RIGHT to know your family history. You might also try contacting Jimmy, as he has many valuable resources available to him that the rest of us don't. Sorry I can't be more help. :-(
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Post by Vicky on Jan 7, 2008 13:51:28 GMT -5
OK canteskuya07, I found out a little more-
Joseph LaBlanc Sr appears with his wife Nancy on the SW 1891 Elrod Roll. He is aged 69 and she is 66 which suggests that Joseph the First was born c. 1822. He must be the Joseph who received one of the first allotments of land at Sisseton in 1875. In an Indian Land Ownership record book compiled by Max Renville it states on page 15 that Joseph LaBlanc Sr.’s allotment number was 990. Under a section called “Lineage Notes” it states he is- Father of Sarah White, Mrs. Fitting, Julia Max, Peter LaBlanc, Joseph LaBlanc, Jr.; husband of Nancy. I do not know who this Nancy was, but it cannot be Nancy Isbu who was born c. 1873. Nancy Isbu appears on the 1887 SW Annuity Roll at age 14, and must have married a different LeBlanc later on. Tamara can fill us in further. So it seems, your line looks a bit like this-
Joseph LaBlanc Sr. married Nancy (Unknown) Their children included- Sarah Mrs. Fitting Julia Max Peter (I wonder if this was the husband of Nancy Isbu? Tamara?? Help!) Joseph Jr.
Joseph Jr. married Eve Grey Sintewastewin From their heirship papers at NARA I find only the following children listed as heirs- Samuel Eliza Joseph But in the Land Ownership records I find more children- Julia Nancy Louisa Margaret Mary
So, I am guessing you are descended from Joseph the Second who also had a son named Joseph. I will warn you, Joseph the Second may have become Joseph Sr. when his father died, the third would become the Jr. and on down the line, which makes these multiple names in the same family such fun to try to research! Could you share with me the names of your grandparents and parents? This would be most helpful. If you prefer to keep that info private, please contact me by email at jandv@inebraska.com Maybe we can get this family of yours figured out. :-)
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Post by Vicky on Jan 10, 2008 11:06:21 GMT -5
I am so happy to help! If I were you, I would do the following- 1. Write to the Sisseton BIA. Send letters to the realty office, enrollment and anyone else you can think of. Since the deadline for the court cases is past, I would hope that some day they will resume doing what they are supposed to do! Ask for the probates for your Joseph Jr. and Joseph Sr. and Eve Grey. These will explain in detail who got what. You have a right to have these, and keep bothering them until they cough them up! They may let you look at them if you go there in person. And yes, you are correct, Eve and Joseph's land is now divided up between ALL of their descendants which could be several hundred by now. Sisseton used to provide a list of all the owners of any land parcel also, I got one awhile back. You might ask for one of those, too.
2. Contact NARA in KC.
Barbara Larsen NARA KC E-mail Address(es): barbara.larsen@nara.gov
Ask for all the heirship and probate files on your ancestors. Also, I think there may be photos and other documents for you. All the finding aids for SW are posted on this site. The one heirship I have for your family just happened to be on a page I needed for my own family research, so there may be additional pages at NARA waiting for you for the LaBlanc family.
If I think of anything else, I'll let you know. Happy hunting, Vicky
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Post by Vicky on Jan 10, 2008 11:16:11 GMT -5
Sorry, I thought the finding aids for Sisseton were posted here, but I can't find them now. Send me your email address in a PM, or email me, and I'll send them to you.
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Post by tamara on Jan 10, 2008 14:59:22 GMT -5
Sorry, I thought the finding aids for Sisseton were posted here, but I can't find them now. Send me your email address in a PM, or email me, and I'll send them to you. Vicki can you send me a copy of the Sisseton Finding Aids too? to Tamara_StJohn@yahoo.com Thanks so much
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Post by Vicky on Jan 10, 2008 15:46:31 GMT -5
They have been sent, Tamara. Hey, does it look like I am on the right track here? Do you know who the Nancy was who married Joseph the First? Did your Nancy Isbu marry Peter, son of Joseph Sr? Thanks!
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Post by Vicky on Jan 10, 2008 21:02:19 GMT -5
canteskuya07, Sorry I missed this earlier- on the Elrod Roll I found- Sintewastewin 30 f Samuel Gray son 12 m Joseph White (Andrew)son 1 m Eve's children listed are Samuel and Joseph AKA Andrew. Eliza died in 1890 so is not listed here. This must be your GGrandfather. So, I come up with- 1. Joseph Sr. and Nancy 2. Joseph Jr. and Eve Gray (Sintewaste) 3. Andrew Grey or White AKA Joseph LaBlanc 4. Joseph Grey 5. Your mom 6. YOU :-)
You will also want to send off for all the death certificates you can find. Occasionally they will contain useful information. If you have access to ancestry.com check all of these with the Sisseton censuses which are now online. Your local library might have ancestry for free. Also, do the math on all of the above. You will know I goofed if you find an ancestor who gave birth at age 97! :-)
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Post by Youngin~AKA~Brad21 on Nov 24, 2008 5:33:54 GMT -5
Vicky,
Do you have Eve Grays probate? if so would u plz be able to send it to me? thnx
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Post by Vicky on Nov 24, 2008 9:58:31 GMT -5
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 24, 2008 14:16:24 GMT -5
if you want a copy of the Heirship/probate papers, You can contact the NARA in Wahsington ,DC. the contact person there is maryFrances.ronan@nara.gov she needs the english Name, the person's Indian name if you know it, their tribal affiliation, and when they died( you can give an estimated death year). the cost for copies is $15 for 1-20 paes, then 75 cents/each additional page copied.
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Post by sunshine on Nov 24, 2008 15:33:38 GMT -5
Greetings!
Please know that NARA of KC does not have Sisseton Probates, to the best of my knowledge, before about 1900. I was hunting for a relative from the Veblen/Britton area. I then contacted the Marshall Cty. courthouse in Britton and this is the info that I rec'd back from the Clerk of Courts office.
Your timing is impeccable. We are in the process of cleaning out Dakota Territory probates. We are up to the year 1917. Vital Records in Pierre is calling all the counties for all the Dakota Territory records before the onion skin paper totally disintegrates. Pierre willput the records on a disc for all the counties but they wil keep the records there in PIerre. Eventually, for anyone doing a geneology search, they will be able to contact the office in pIerre and get all the counties for one search fee.
Before MArshall County actually became a seaprate county, parts of the county or land owners were known as Day County and Roberts County residents/land owners. Day County Clerk of Courts, 711 W 1st Street, Ste. 201, Webster SD 57271. Roberts County Clerk of Courts 411 2nd Ave. E. Ste #3, Sisseton, SD, 57262.
Around 1975-78, the Clerks office became a state entity in SD. The Register of Deeds office is still a County office. When this split took place, the death and marriage certificates were kept and still are kept by the Register of Deeds office. Theya re the ones that also keep the land records. The land records go by land description and not by name.
Hope that this info helps someone. Blessings to all, Sunshine
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Post by Vicky on Nov 25, 2008 9:52:09 GMT -5
That is correct Sunshine. Also, I have a question for anyone who has physically gone to DC and looked at "probates". Are the ones in DC the same as the ones I posted from KC? Simple heirship lists and not probates at all? Or does DC have copies of the actual probates we are supposed to be able to get for our family members from the BIA's? The ones with the heirs, land description, maybe pages and pages of testimony? I think a couple of members have looked in DC. Can we get their actual (the real deal) probates in DC?
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Post by hopstismiley on Nov 25, 2008 15:00:43 GMT -5
Vicky- My family has put in a order from DC for our family probates. I believe that they are the real deal "actual probates". They are different from KC. I also believe that they have the testimony with them because our order sheet had many of pages per probate file. Our family couldn't get any thing from the BIA we sent letter's two years ago, and nothing. They are our family members & we should have every rights to them. When I get them in the mail I can let you know if there the real deal!
hopsti_smiley@yahoo.com
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